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Bonnie Dundee by
Simon Ryan
(Torque 80)
Introduction
Sited on the north bank of the Firth of Tay, the
former Burgh of Dundee derives its name from two
Celtic Words, Dun meaning Fort and de` meaning fire;
it became a Royal Burgh in 1292. It became a centre
for the production of jute fibre, when a number of
local mills converting from linen to jute in the mid
19th Century when the product was in great demand.
The Burgh is also famous as a shipbuilding centre
and, as the home of both James Keiller & Son Ltd,
manufacturers of marmalade and of DC Thomson,
producers of childrens’ comics including ‘The
Beano’. A fire brigade was established in the City
in 1835.
The First Leyland
Dundee would in time become a firm supporter of
the Leyland marque purchasing nine machines in all.
The first of these followed-on from the City’s first
two motors, both made by Argyll’s Ltd of Glasgow,
later of Alexandria. The Police and Lighting
Committee, who oversaw the running of the brigade,
approved a third motor engine in 1914, but due to
the outbreak of War, it was October 1915 before the
Leyland X4 Special motor pump was delivered, with
the usual Braidwood body. This was a ‘one-off’
design (Order No.955, 7/14) and there are three
drawings of this appliance recorded in the Leyland
Drawings Register, dated July and November 1914 and
August 1915. (If any reader would like to have a
copy of the Drawing Office Register, covering the
period 1903-25, we have a copy available in PDF
format, it is a wonderful record and makes very
interesting reading – please contact the Editor).
It had a special 4-ton range frame (the usual for a
fire engine was a chassis from the 3-ton range),
with a wheelbase of 12ft 6in and overall length of
18ft 3½in. The design was evolved to meet the
requirements laid-down by the City’s Firemaster
(Scotland has traditionally used this term instead
of Chief Officer) James Sinclair Weir M.I. FireE, a
former merchant seaman and native of Caithness.
Although it had the standard X4 type radiator, it is
not known whether it had the X4.40hp engine or the
larger and more usual U.55hp engine, probably the
latter. As both engines had the same crankcase
(with different sized cylinder blocks) it is
impossible to tell from photographs. The delay in
delivery was mentioned in the Firemaster’s annual
report of Feb 1915 saying that it was caused by “the
demands resulting from the outbreak of war”; Leyland
Motors were hard-pressed to increase their capacity
to produce the War Office Subsidy A models. The
Leyland X4 Special had a Rees Roturbo turbine pump
and John Morris & Son of Salford provided the
ladders. Registered as TS 1381 the machine gave
nearly 20 years’ service to the City.
In 1915 the Brigade operated from a main station on
West Bell Street, which had opened in 1900, and 3
sub-stations. Due in the main to manpower shortages
caused by seven members of the Brigade who were
reservists being called-up for military service in
August 1914, a decision had been made to close the
Northern district station and concentrate resources
at the remaining three stations, one of which at
Broughty Ferry was manned solely by Auxiliaries.
Five of the seven appliances in use were horse-drawn
and there were just 18 full time personnel, three of
whom were drivers, along with 22 Auxiliaries.
The 1920s
In 1923 a second Leyland pump was ordered. This was
one of the ‘new’ F.E.2 models (previously called
‘Standard’), chassis no.11691, having the new
flared-spoke front wheels, still 720mm rims all
round as before, and powered by the U4.55hp petrol
engine. It arrived in Dundee on 1st May 1923,
registered TS 3977, and replaced the 1908 Argyll
escape tender and so carried a 60ft wheeled escape
ladder. A radiator protection bar was later fitted.

Dundee Fire Brigade’s second Leyland, a Braidwood
bodied F.E2.
registered TS 3977 in 1923 (Dundee Heritage)
The main sub-station for the Brigade was on Brown
Street, Broughty Ferry and when a 3rd Leyland was
delivered in November 1924 it was placed in service
there. Registration No TS 4763 was a Braidwood
bodied F.E.1, chassis no.11733 and it carried a Rees
Roturbo turbine pump and a 30ft extension ladder, it
was powered by an S19/5 36hp petrol engine and
served the town for nearly 20 years.
Next came an aerial machine. Until now a 70ft
ladder had been the tallest available in the City.
Now an F.E.2 Special was ordered to carry a German
Carl Metz 4-section 85ft wooden turntable ladder;
registered TS 7314, it was built on chassis
no.11808. Again, a radiator protection bar was
later fitted, by now standard for Dundee. This
appliance passed to the NFS in March 1942 and was
re-allocated to Denbigh in North Wales in 1945
having received the ladder from the ex-Manchester
City Police Fire Brigade C Type Leyland. (This was
a C Type Special with a Class V type rear axle,
chassis no.11705, the first Leyland to be supplied
in the UK carrying a Carl Metz 85ft wooden turntable
ladder. Delivered in April 1924 it received a
direct hit during the Blitz on 23rd December 1940
and the chassis was wrecked. Dundee’s ladder had
broken so the Manchester ladder was used to replace
it). TS 7314 in its rebuilt form passed to the
Denbighshire & Montgomery Fire Brigade in April 1948
and although shown as being last licensed that year
its replacement, a normal control AEC Regent III
with a Merryweather ladder was not delivered until
1953 so it may have survived until then.

The Leyland F.E.2 Special with Carl Metz 85ft
turntable ladder (BCVMT L005092)
The 1930s
Firemaster Weir’s next order was for a 6-wheeled
Leyland TE5 Terrier, chassis no.655 in the new
series that started at 100 in 1931; it had ‘New
World’ bodywork. A midships mounted 450 / 700 gpm
Rees Roturbo pump was fitted and it carried a
two-section extension ladder on its off-side with
two lengths of suction hose mounted on the
near-side. Delivered in May 1932, Weir tested the
machine on the beach at Broughty Ferry where it was
driven across the sands and by all accounts
acquitted itself admirably. Tracks could be fitted
over the twin rear wheels for such off-road use.
This appliance carried Registration TS 9841. By now
all the Brigade’s pumps were Leylands thanks in no
small part to Firemaster Weir.
Dundee Fire Brigade’s 6-wheel TE5 Terrier,
registered TS 9841 (BCVMT L011289/90)
The introduction of the FK Cub range saw an order
from Dundee first for an FK1 and later an FK7. The
former had a rare Wagonette style body and was built
on chassis no.3063 having a length of 17ft 6in, a
width of 6ft 5in, and a weight of 3ton 3cwt. A
6-cylinder side-valve petrol engine produced 67hp @
2,400rpm and a 4-speed manual gearbox was specified.
A crew of eight could be accommodated on two rows of
seats, each row having its own windscreen. A rear
mounted Rees Roturbo two-stage 400gpm turbine pump
was fitted feeding two deliveries and a 'hoop' style
ladder gantry which the late Neil Steele described
as giving the appliance the look of a covered waggon.
It was delivered in August 1934 and was registered
YJ 1720.
Dundee’s FK1 Special with its ‘Wagonette’ body,
registered YJ 1720 (BCVMT L014662/63)
The FK7 was more conventional, having tandem seating
and a midships mounted pump. It was placed on the
run as a pump escape having been allocated
registration YJ 4036, fleet no.4. It was chassis
no.6117 and was delivered in September 1936 to the
Northern District station on Strathmore Avenue which
had opened in November 1932. Fleet numbers rarely
seem to be seen in photographs of Dundee appliances.
The great champion of the Leyland marque in the
City, Firemaster James Weir died in December 1937,
aged 69 whilst still serving. He had served the
people of Dundee for 36 years, prior to which he had
been a member of the Edinburgh Fire Brigade, joining
that brigade in 1890.
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A nice near-side view of the FK7, YJ 4036. Note
the side mounted pump and the stowage
arrangements for the suction hose, the strainer next
to the spare wheel and on the rear
body the trunnion which together with the U gantry
for the escape head allowed a wheeled
escape to be carried. The appliance is carrying
Lancashire CC Trade Plates
(BCVMT L018379/80)
The War and After
Under Wartime Contract No.2 of the Government’s
Grant Aided Scheme for turntable ladders, signed in
June 1940, a total of 15 Leyland TLM2A turntable
ladders were supplied with central government grant
support, to local authorities. One of these
designated TE 23 (Turntable Escape) went to Dundee
arriving in March 1941. It carried a four-section
steel 100ft Merryweather ladder no.MW59 and was
registered as YJ 7700.

Dundee and later Angus Area Fire Brigade’s
TLM2A in Tom Hollis’ Yard, Deeside, N Wales
in 1980 (S Ryan collection)
It spent almost all its operational life in Dundee
before being sold. In 1980 the author found this
TLM2A in very poor condition stored in the open in
Tom Hollis’s yard near Deeside, North Wales. Sadly,
it was not saved for preservation and insofar as I
can determine nor were any of the other of Dundee’s
Leylands. It seems to have served in Dundee into
the mid-1960s when Angus Area replaced it by a
ubiquitous AEC Mercury with a 100ft 4-section steel
Merryweather ladder, registered RYL 949, the second
of this type to be bought by Angus Area.
All fire brigades in Scotland were nationalised on
1st March 1942, nearly 7 months after those in
England and Wales, with Dundee along with Perth &
Kinross, Angus and Fife forming the Eastern Fire
Force. Dundee's final Leyland was a rare F5T1. It
carried a 500 / 750gpm pump (hence the designation
5) and was powered by a T type 43.5 h.p. E.128
petrol engine [hence T] with a limousine style body
mounted on chassis No 100580. The vehicle had a 13ft
3¼in wheelbase and two open propshafts with Spicer
couplings. It was delivered in May 1942 and was
supplied with trunnions and head gear so it could
operate as a pump escape. It bore a London CC
registration, no.GUC 585, as after March all new
fire appliances were allocated centrally to the
National Fire Service by the Ministry of Supply. Of
the nine Leyland appliances delivered I understand
five passed back to local authority control when the
NFS in Scotland was disbanded under Section 36 of
the 1947 Fire Service Act. Schedule 4 of the Act
required Authorities in Scotland to operate joint
brigades, apart from the County and City of
Glasgow. So, the County and City of Dundee was
joined with Arbroath and the County of Angus to form
Angus Area Fire Brigade, which existed until local
government re-organisation in 1975. The last of
Dundee’s Leylands as I have said served with Angus
Area into the mid-1960s.
Acknowledgements:
The Leyland Society archive
Dundee City Libraries
‘Leyland Fire Engines 1930-1942’ by Neil D
Steele
Annual Reports by the Firemaster, City of
Dundee Fire Brigade
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